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GED - 3/17/2010 12:57:18 PM
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EsonTheSearcher
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I was dicussing this just recently with a guy at church and saw a similar post earlier about this topic. His son doesn't do anything in school...execpt fail. So the father's solution is,
"He can get a GED and he won't need a HS diploma since it is the same thing.."
Something occured to me: if a GED is equal to a HS Diploma, why do we even have high school? Why doesn't the government fire all HS teachers and everybody get a GED?
I can't believe that I went thru 4 years of it and I could have just simply quit and got a GED and right into college at 16.
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RE: GED - 3/17/2010 1:19:26 PM
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Nope! Not the same thing! GED=drop out. Diploma=high school education. That is why home schoolers fight so hard to have their high school diploma accepted, rather than having to take the GED.
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RE: GED - 3/17/2010 2:05:02 PM
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to many employers and colleges - GED = someone who really didn't care that much to work during their teen years and often the times the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
Not saying this is the case for ALL who hold a GED and those folks are to be commended. But for the ds of your friend - sounds like this boy is going to struggle regardless.
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RE: GED - 3/17/2010 9:11:19 PM
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I can't believe that I went thru 4 years of it and I could have just simply quit and got a GED and right into college at 16.
The GED is not the same thing as a diploma. You might not have gotten into a great college of your choice, but you probably could get into a community college and transfer after a year or two.
However…
For some kids, the GED is a better option than public school.
I know at least three young men for whom that is true. (The following list is a composite of complaints they experienced, some had more than one. I am mixing them up so no one person could be identified.)
One could not maintain focus and hated school so much that he was chronically cutting class. He was able to focus enough to study for the GED when he had a specific goal of getting a job as a welder though.
One was in a public school career class his junior year, the school was to find half-day apprenticeships for the kids in this program. He was sent out to two jobs that did not exist, despite the school coordinator having been told by the business owners that they were not going to participate in the program that year. The school then told him to find his own job. Time ran out before the school found a job for him, such that he would not have enough credits to graduate on time.
One was told by a teacher that she had taught his older siblings and everyone in his family got worse and worse. The teacher denied saying that and the principal would not allow a transfer to another teacher.
One had a guidance counselor who "Oops!" missed the fact that he did not have enough math credits at the beginning of his senior year, and then would not allow him to take two classes simultaneously. It would have required that he pay for summer school out of his own pocket or take another year. Either way, he would not have graduated with his class. Because his parents were divorced (that is, not communicating well enough to be on top of this) and did not make a stink, the guidance counselor was never reprimanded.
One was being constantly harassed and bullied. The vice-principal's solution? He told the student that it was too hard to sort out the truth so either both would have to be punished or neither would. (The young man walked out and never looked back. He believes the vice-principal was trying "some kind of Solomon trick like cutting babies in two" with such an answer.)
There are so many problems with socialization, and personnel, and other stuff that has nothing to do with passing the exit exam, that these cases were better off going for the GED and moving on to trade school or entry level jobs.
Also, these exit exams are fairly recent, (within the past six years here at least.) Some kids are taking the idea that if they can pass the GED without classes, why bother with an exit exam test? Either way, the diploma is given because a test was passed.
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RE: GED - 3/28/2010 6:58:31 PM
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I agree that the GED is a better option for some kids, particular those who plan to go into a skilled labor profession...welder, truck driver, mechanic, hair dresser, etc. Sometimes the kids who would be great at those things are the ones who aren't so great at school.
I think our school system as a whole is broken, personally. I know people who graduated from high school and got that piece of paper and are no more motivated or successful than those who "dropped out" and got a GED. On a more personal note, my husband has neither a diploma nor a GED, and he is one of the most intelligent people I know. Very mechanically minded, but he can't write a complete sentence. Everyone can't be good at the same things...and I don't think we should push kids (teens) to be in school when they don't want to be there, as long as they are entering into an apprenticeship or job training of some sort. Could that be where a lot of the behavior issues come from?
If every kid in this country got a good solid sixth or eighth grade education, I think we'd be a lot better off than we are now. As it is, we push them through even though they have not demonstrated mastery, and expect them to master the next level without having the first levels mastered. Idiocy...
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RE: GED - 3/29/2010 8:13:03 AM
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Jeffriesw
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quote:
ORIGINAL: EsonTheSearcher
I was dicussing this just recently with a guy at church and saw a similar post earlier about this topic. His son doesn't do anything in school...execpt fail. So the father's solution is,
"He can get a GED and he won't need a HS diploma since it is the same thing.."
Something occured to me: if a GED is equal to a HS Diploma, why do we even have high school? Why doesn't the government fire all HS teachers and everybody get a GED?
I can't believe that I went thru 4 years of it and I could have just simply quit and got a GED and right into college at 16.
If all he is doing is failing it may be better for him to go ahead and get his GED. Without knowing the whole situation, It is hard to know for sure.
I was in the same boat almost 30 years ago, Had no desire whatsoever to be there, I was smart enough and even had decent grades and stayed mostly on the Honor roll, I just flat out hated to be there and to be honest with you, I was a HUGE distraction for those other kids who wanted to be there and learn something. I knew it, the teachers knew it, so I quit and took the GED exam the following month, passed and never looked back.
As far as being equal, I don't know that exact answer, but I would think it would depend on what he plans to do - Trade/Professional.
I work in the construction/engineering business in Florida and most "trade" positions could care less if you have a GED or diploma. You either can do the job or you can't.
Of course the professional side requires a degree, but that young man doesn't seem like he is headed in that direction.
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