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Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:06:35 AM
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hnt
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WELL my husband's birthday is right after Valentines. His sister fosters for animal shelters. His mother gave him some money for his birthday, and he went directly to his sister's house....and brought home a black lab.  We got a crate and all the junk you need for the dog.
My problem? I work from home, and you have to have perfect silence in the background. My son left for school this morning, and placed the puppy in the crate (3 months old). He has been crated before, because my SIL is single and works. That stinker has been whining and barking since my son left. I had to release commits today, and lol I'm NOT happy about this!
Its bad enough he threw this on us as a 'surprise', and YES YES YES its a sweet dog and everything. He sounds like he is dying up there, and I can't work while the dog is singing his dying game!  I mean literally you should hear him! I assume he is freaked out because for the last two days he has had and enjoyed company.
I'm not a dog person, and need some enlightenment here! Is there a way to calm him down, or do I just have to deal with this? Please don't tell me this will happen forever! I assume he is scared due to the new way of life for now right?
Sigh! On the one hand I feel like hugging the stuffing out of him due to his pathetic whines...and on the other hand? lol I want to ring his neck! I was suppose to WORK today!
Showing 'grace' towards this new addition, but need some encouragement. I have had cats all my life, and my Siamese is down in the basement with me (he doesn't meow while I work). EVEN he is looking at me like can't you do something for that POOR thing upstairs?
HELP HELP!!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:17:47 AM
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On the one hand I feel like hugging the stuffing out of him.....
Careful! You might actually get attached to him!
The POOR thing, he's just lonely. Maybe you could have the crate in the same room as you are and let him out once in awhile. I'm sure there are many people who will have much more wisdom about dogs than I, but I would imagine in a few days the dog will be whining a lot less.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:21:30 AM
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Careful! You might actually get attached to him!
WELL my husband told the dog she is the one you need to butter UP to!
Not so sure about bring him down with me - I still won't be able to work. lol and the whines I'm sure will be louder!
I assumed he would fall asleep. The whining and carrying on have now gone on for close to 2 hrs.
Its is inches away from being moved to the garage!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:26:10 AM
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hnt,
Have you taken him outside to potty at all this morning? (I was just a bit concerned when you said he'd been whining for 2 hrs) How was your SIL toilet training him - with pads, newspaper or outside?
Have you been to see him, talked to him, reassured him that he's not on his own?
Do you have any music (eg radio) on for him?
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:29:19 AM
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I'll second the second crate idea... We have the cutest stinkin' little beagle hound. Love the little guy to death. He's now a therapy dog and residents at nursing homes love him. Women love the little puppiness. Men often have had a hound for hunting. So all around, he's a great little guy. EXCEPT... this little guy CAN NOT be left alone. Put him in a crate alone and he cries. He's fine in his downstairs crate all day long--as long as he can at least hear someone. At night... no how, no way will he sleep alone. So, we got a second crate for ds3 and ds4's room.
Check Craig's list for a used crate. Your new guy will probably fit in a smaller crate. Many people will buy a small crate for a puppy and as soon as the puppy is house broken, they have no use for it. I bought a crate for $20--new it was $100.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 11:34:14 AM
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YES he did his business early this morning. My husband leaves early for work, and feeds him then. Once we all get up he goes out (fenced in yard), and he did his thing. I haven't given him anything since that time since I knew I would have to work. I didn't want him to have the urge, and figured at lunch time I would give him a treat. He is potty trained believe it or not. He goes to the back door, and gives you the LOOK! lol! I figured since he got his food this morning - and water - and then later we take him out - DON'T give him anything more until lunch. I didn't want him sitting in the crate with his legs crossed!
I thought I would enable him to continue if I went to him. I'm clueless in this department. I assume I could turn on a radio. Is that going to make him start all over again though?
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 12:04:41 PM
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hnt,
A dog needs to have fresh water available at all times. And a puppy needs to be let out every couple of hours when they're that young.
Are you feeding him exactly the same stuff as your SIL fed him?
Btw, if you deprive him of company for most of the day, he is more likely to become over-excitable when at last he is allowed out.
I'm just curious: since you are at home, why is he crated at all? Can't he just have a bed in the same room where you are? He's far less likely to be making a fuss if he has company and he's not cooped up. You will also see then when he needs to go out.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 12:05:48 PM
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Dogs are pack animals. They don't like to be alone. The hound is crated if noone can watch him. Our other two dogs are loose in the house and will be where ever the pack is. Ds1 doing school work in his room? The pyrenees and beagle most likely will be there. I'm doing stuff downstairs? The collie will be within sight. Even if the pyrenees is nice and comfortable in ds1's bed, she will come downstairs when ds1 does. If the door accidentally gets closed, she will whine to be let out.
You can try a radio. Walk in, turn it on, walk out. Do not give the pup any attention. If you ever give her attention when she's whining, she's going to think whining=attention. Even if the attention is negative!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 12:29:25 PM
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Dogs are social and I'm sure he knows that you are in the house. So, buy a dog bed or just lay out a blanket, get some chew toys and the dog can stay with you during the day. What can it hurt to just try it? Can't be worse than the craziness now.
ETA....check out resources from Cesar Millan "The Dog Whisperer." He really is amazing and his philosophy really works. He would probably suggest to take the dog on a LONG walk in the morning. He may be more likely to want to sleep when you are working ;-)
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 12:52:06 PM
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hnt
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hnt,
A dog needs to have fresh water available at all times. And a puppy needs to be let out every couple of hours when they're that young.
Are you feeding him exactly the same stuff as your SIL fed him?
Btw, if you deprive him of company for most of the day, he is more likely to become over-excitable when at last he is allowed out.
I'm just curious: since you are at home, why is he crated at all? Can't he just have a bed in the same room where you are? He's far less likely to be making a fuss if he has company and he's not cooped up. You will also see then when he needs to go out.
When H gets up - and feeds him - its about 1.5 hrs later that he is let out by us when we get up. H is up before dawn. YES H lets him out as well.
We are feeding him the same food, and I'm not talking him being in the crate for 8 hours. I normally work 2 hrs at a time. Take a break and work a little more.
With my job the background must be just like a brick and mortar business. You can't have dogs barking, cats meowing, children screaming, tv's blaring, etc. It has to be silent or I could lose my job. We placed him in the crate because I don't want him getting into something at his age, and him getting hurt. I figure once he is older he will have the run of the house - no biggie! I didn't feel that 2hr stretches would be all that big of a deal for him to be crated. This morning was longer because he never shut up! lol! With his curious nature I wanted him to be SAFE most of all! He is a baby, and doesn't know any better just yet. lol he also has only been here 2 days!
He is used to being crated, because he was living with my SIL and she works at a bank all day. She is single, and I'm sure there are days she comes home during the workday to do what she needs to.
I have to wonder after all this attention he got the last 2 days that he was MORE upset because he wasn't the center of attention this morning! Tee hee! Silly thing!
i can't jump off the phone to stop him from doing something (like if he chews something), and the sound of the dog during a call breaks my contract.
WELL I figure he will just learn to conform within a couple of days. I also decided to move the crate to another part of the house. That way if he does some complaining it won't be heard while I work.
I think he was being a drama king this morning, and I fell for it hook, line and sinker! lol! My cat even felt sorry for him - HE IS THAT GOOD!
He got some attention, treats, potty break, and bit of loving from ME! I guess I will see how my afternoon goes now! 
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 12:54:18 PM
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You can try a radio. Walk in, turn it on, walk out. Do not give the pup any attention. If you ever give her attention when she's whining, she's going to think whining=attention. Even if the attention is negative!
lol that is what I was thinking! whining = attention if I went to him at first.
For me? ITS not dog training - its hnt training for now! 
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 2:04:55 PM
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He placed him in the crate because I don't want him getting into something at his age, and him getting hurt.
What do you think he might get into?
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He is used to being crated, because he was living with my SIL and she works at a bank all day.
For how long was he living with her? (it can't have been that long as he's only 3 months old now) And tbh, do you really know what he was like while she was away?
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i can't jump off the phone to stop him from doing something (like if he chews something), and the sound of the dog during a call breaks my contract.
If you provide things for him to chew, he's not likely to chew anything else. And at 3 months, he won't be chewing much anyway - more when he starts to lose his puppy teeth.
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I think he was being a drama king this morning, and I fell for it hook, line and sinker!
He's not being a drama king - he is a baby. And babies need attention, they don't like being on their own.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 2:30:30 PM
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I have heard puppies can get into all kinds of things. I have heard about them chewing furniture, carpets, clothes, etc. Those are just things off the top of my head. If finds something that is poison or something due to curiosity - that wouldn't be good.
She had him for a couple of weeks. Since they were not sure what conditions he truly came from they isolate him for a period of time to make sure he isn't sick, etc before placing up for adoption. They do that with most animals - as do most organizations in the area. He had other dogs with him in separate crates along side of him during the day.
He has his bone type of thing they recommended for his age in the cage with him - so he has something to chew if he choose to.
I think its just a matter of him learning to adapt to his new life. I have to learn to adapt as well. I moved the crate to another part of the house, and when I went to do my shift you could barely hear him. I rewarded him with a milky bone to go into the crate. He loved that, but of course the whining started soon as I left the room.
The cat is down with me in the basement office, and he is 14 years old and learning to deal with the dog as well. We made the decision that the basement will be the cat's domain, and the puppy isn't allowed down there. He has a cat hole to come upstairs when he wants to, but the puppy learned to get into the basement via the hole. lol we had to use the kitchen garbage can to block it! In time he will be MUCH to big to fit, and then the garbage can will go back to its place.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 2:38:56 PM
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Persoally, I think it has more to do with the fact that he is in the crate while someone else is in the house. He may be used to the crate when your SIL was at work, but then he was alone and just went to sleep probably.
He needs a long walk in the morning. Every morning.
Put his leash on him so he still has boundries. Allow him to be in the room with you. Give him a spot in your office, either a dog bed or a blanket on the floor with a chew toy. I just don't see him being ok with being in the crate when there is a pack member in the house (meaning YOU)! Your office is in the basement? Teach him to only go down there when he is invited. That's what we did with our lab/german shephard mix. She is only allowed upstairs or out the door or in the door or on furniture if she is invited.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 4:35:46 PM
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I have heard puppies can get into all kinds of things. I have heard about them chewing furniture, carpets, clothes, etc.
Neither of the two dogs we've had have ever done that, and we had them both from puppies. Nor either of the dogs we had when I was growing up.
If dogs do do the sort of things you've said, it's usually when they've been left, alone, for long periods of time and are bored.
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If finds something that is poison or something due to curiosity - that wouldn't be good.
What poisons do you have in your house/the room where you work that would be in the reach of a dog?
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 4:36:48 PM
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Personally, I think it has more to do with the fact that he is in the crate while someone else is in the house. He may be used to the crate when your SIL was at work, but then he was alone and just went to sleep probably.
He needs a long walk in the morning. Every morning.
Put his leash on him so he still has boundries. Allow him to be in the room with you. Give him a spot in your office, either a dog bed or a blanket on the floor with a chew toy. I just don't see him being ok with being in the crate when there is a pack member in the house (meaning YOU)! Your office is in the basement? Teach him to only go down there when he is invited. That's what we did with our lab/german shephard mix. She is only allowed upstairs or out the door or in the door or on furniture if she is invited.
Very wise and sound advice from Sharon!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/16/2010 5:26:03 PM
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Ha! It's not so much poisons that puppies can get into. The hound just found a pencil and was chewing on it. He's also a pro at finding pens.
Being in a crate when noone is home is one thing. To be locked in a crate and apart from the pack is totally different. He wants to be with you!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/17/2010 11:11:18 AM
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I haven't read through the thread so if I am repeating what others have already said, I am sorry.
Your puppy will learn to love his crate. We went through this when we got a pup. It will become his home, his secure place, and he will learn to love it. But it takes time. And in the meantime, you'll hear the whines.
It is like a baby. They too need to learn to self comfort. And in the process, there will be nights of listening to the cries. But the reward is that they learn to sleep through the night. And you are allowed the same comfort!
Think of yourself as God in this situation. How He hears us whine and squak about our situations! But if we look to Him, trust in Him, know that our needs will be cared for (just as you care for the needs of your pup or your babe), the whining gets less and less and eventually we stop the whining altogether!
You're on a spiritual journey. The pup is your new proving ground. Let Him find you faithful in this too!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/17/2010 11:13:41 AM
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Your puppy will learn to love his crate. We went through this when we got a pup. It will become his home, his secure place, and he will learn to love it. But it takes time. And in the meantime, you'll hear the whines.
It is like a baby. They too need to learn to self comfort. And in the process, there will be nights of listening to the cries. But the reward is that they learn to sleep through the night. And you are allowed the same comfort!
Liveloved, I didn't know if you'd picked up that hnt isn't just crating the puppy when the family are out, or at night, but during the day too when she is home, working.
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/17/2010 11:23:53 AM
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Good thing your husband is not my husband.
He got the dog without asking you if you wanted it and expects you to stay home all day and take care of it while you attempt to work?
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If it was me, he'd find his dog in the back seat of his car tomorrow morning ready to go to work with him. Woof!!
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RE: Our Present for Valentines - 2/17/2010 11:41:50 AM
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We had a dog that was crate trained she was wonderful. She also NEVER barked. Once she barked in the middle of the night and I knew there was a problem that is how rarely she barked and sure enough when I looked out the window there were two men in my neighbors driveway in dark clothes!
Anyway, keep doing what your doing but put water in her crate. Two hour increments will be ok, our dog stayed in 6 hrs a day when I was at work because my hubby did not want her to have run of the house. She chased the cats and he was worried that even though the dog was playing she would hurt one. I got rid of her because I felt that was too long.
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I know he is alright because I checked on him as my son was leaving. My presence if I made it know would make it worse - or enable him right if I went back to calm him down? 
