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What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 4:53:55 AM
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dangreg
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Christian aid groups like World Vision have the problem of being primarily motivated by the desire to proselytize, however much they deny this. The 3 monotheistic religions each believe that 1. God speaks to them, not to others 2. God sent His only Son/Prophet to them, not to others and 3. God gave His teachings in His Holy Book to them, not to others. One MUST accept these 3 beliefs to be either a Christian, Jew or Muslim. The ultimate aim of all Christian incursions into non-Christian cultures has to be to convert. This is the raison d'etre for any monotheistic faith. Denying this fundamental purpose of monotheism is to deny monotheism itself. Converting infidels or heathens to the true path is one of its intrinsic purposes for being. Thus, its history of missionary work reveals attempts to manipulate, entice, purchase and even coerce indigenous peoples to abandon their traditions and accept Christ. Once a family member converts, he/she turns against the family as devil worshippers. This is a form of terrorism. The peace and harmony of the family is destroyed. Entire communities and cultures have suffered this invasion. The Catholic Church (Vatican) apologized a few years ago for centuries of kidnapping children from parents in Third World countries. Christian attempts to convert have included offers of scholarships, gifts of food, money, and jobs to people willing to do anything to give their child a chance in America. Missionaries practice subtle forms of undermining an indigenous person's traditional spiritual beliefs, such as asking to place an image of Christ or the Virgin Mary on the home altar. Polite and simple people usually agree. When the family soon after receives a "miracle" in the form of a gift or money, etc., the missionary makes certain the family knows that it was their accepting of Christ or Mary on to their home altar that brought them the good fortune. The miracle comes from the missionary, of course, but the family doesn't know that. The hungry, poor and uneducated are easy targets. Their desperation makes them willing to deny their family traditions just to eat or better their lives. In India, hundreds of low caste Hindus periodically re-convert back to Hinduism en masse when they understand what conversion to Christianity means - the denial of all the traditional religious stories and modes of worship they held dear. I once interviewed a Christian woman who had masqueraded in the ochre robes and the rudraksha beads of the highly-respected Hindu sannyasin (lifetime renunciate)in India in order to enter homes and introduce the unsuspecting family, in awe that such a great person would even visit them, to Christ. This is the same thing as if a Muslim were to disquise himself as a Christian minister and enter Christian homes in the very poor parts of a Christian neighborhood to turn the family toward the Prophet and the Koran.
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 8:38:20 AM
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rlj
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I'll wait until it comes out in paperback.
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 9:17:11 AM
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rlj, i wont even read the mess. give me the 3 part mini-series, unless it is a religiouds type one which will change the channell
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 9:26:18 AM
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3cappuccinosmom
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eh. First of all, World Vision promotes a social gospel. They are by far not antagonistic street preachers, and the services they provide are not dependant upon conversion (unlike some Muslim "charity" that I ran across in my dh's country).
If a Muslim family disinherits a child who becomes Christian, it is the family that tore itself apart, not the convert. If they consider Christianity so low that a Christian child cannot carry on the family name, that is the Muslim family's issue, not their converted child's.
If this was a justification of the massacre at World Vision, for shame.  It effectively shut down aid from all sides, helping no one and leaving a lot of poor people with no helping hands. The people who did this are evil for their wholesale slaughter, and stupid for thinking that killing aid workers will in any way help their own people. Brutally slaying Christian aid workers certainly does nothing to promote "cameraderie" and "brotherhood". 
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 12:35:16 PM
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StephK
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Paragraphs are your friends. Just sayin'
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 1:29:08 PM
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Dangreg - There's a blog section here. Try it. In threads we value being as concise as possible.
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 1:41:36 PM
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davelinde
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maybe you can get a job drafting healthcare legislation?
If I picked out the right parts of this I agree with the first posted reaction - "no". It's not a hopeful vision.
I disagree with the premise Judaism and Christianity claim different scripture and a different God. I do, of course, agree that there is a fundamental difference between Judaeo–Christian and Islamic core belief.
The other premise the people who "are very happy" in a sincerely held lie should just be left alone is also flawed.
If you were wrong about something very important that would do you a lot of harm... would you want someone to tell you?
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 3:41:24 PM
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Betcha a ham sandwich it was just a drive-by troll. We'll never hear from him again.
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 5:52:39 PM
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davelinde
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quote:
ORIGINAL: SuspenseWriter
Betcha a ham sandwich it was just a drive-by troll. We'll never hear from him again.
It was a really, really LONG rant for a drive-by. Plus it got posted twice - once as an answer and once as it's own topic. I'm thinking you're right though.
I do find this whole "tolerance" logic fascinating though, which is why I fed the troll. I wonder what people are thinking when they say in essence... "I think you are WRONG for thinking people are WRONG".
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 7:33:33 PM
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davelinde
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quote:
ORIGINAL: litfire2000
Two wrongs don't make a right... 
A and NOT A... an argument for the logically challenged.
Handled well by Ravi Z... but it does come up on occasion.
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/12/2010 9:19:23 PM
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quote:
The 3 monotheistic religions each believe that 1. God speaks to them, not to others 2. God sent His only Son/Prophet to them, not to others and 3. God gave His teachings in His Holy Book to them, not to others. One MUST accept these 3 beliefs to be either a Christian, Jew or Muslim.
This is as far as I got because it is patently untrue.
Christianity is not some exclusive club.
I alsoe expect not to see from the original poster as well...
drive by
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RE: What World Vision means. - 3/13/2010 8:59:53 AM
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Marcus.
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And what was the point of that long ramble?
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