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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 7:32:53 AM
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Memaw.
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DD,
Years ago Mormons came to our house and I attempted to discuss the Word with them.
After showing them scripture that disputed their beliefs they began telling me I how wrong I was, and offered to pray for me.
I refused them, went in to my home and shut the door.
There have been Jehova Witness who have also stated, "I will pray for you". I don't want that prayer!
I want someone to pray for me who is in agreement with GOD, Creator of Heaven and Earth. I want to know those who "yoke" with me in struggles and whose prayers are reaching the Throne.
Anything other than that is not acceptable to me.
When I ask for prayer, it is because my heart is aching over something and if someone is just saying words that aren't being heard by God, then my prayer is not being heard.
If someone does not have the truth of Jesus, then their prayers are not received by God, and if He won't receive them, I shouldn't either.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 8:28:27 AM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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ORIGINAL: Memaw.
DD,
Years ago Mormons came to our house and I attempted to discuss the Word with them.
After showing them scripture that disputed their beliefs they began telling me I how wrong I was, and offered to pray for me.
I refused them, went in to my home and shut the door.
Some young Mormon men prayed for me, after i asked them what made them so sure that Mormonism was right. They answered, "The burning in my soul." They said that I would experience the same.
When they returned and asked me, I said I'd had no "burning in my soul." They looked so disappointed that I told them, "I did have heart burn once. . . ."  (Smart-mouthed little brat!)
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 9:23:27 AM
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That's talking about leadership and to not be hasty in "raising" them up, so as to not share in their sins--IOW, make sure of their report.
Right and of course we should therefore just ignore instruction given to those who are supposed to know more.  This has nothing to do with fear. This is wise instruction and those who scoff at it do not understand the spiritual principals involoved.
Have you ever actually studied that passage or similar? I have heard a good number of sermons, by those who actually have studied that passage, and apparently, at least to those who actually have studied the Scripture, it is not wise to allow someone to put their hands on you and pray for you when you do not know them. That would also be the reason that elders are instructed to pray for the sick and not just any member of the congregation. Elders are supposed to have lives that are transparent and are supposed to be above accusation. I don't suppose you would recognize the reasons for that?
You may not care if someone who is lying, committing adultery and generally in a fallen state prays for you. But they better not come near me. Unfortunately, Scripture is not followed when it comes to who should pray for another. So, receiver of prayer beware.
Please take note that I did not once mention fear, so do not even begin to consider that as a source for the reason I would not allow a stranger to put their hands on me and pray for me.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 9:51:53 AM
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DeliveredDarling
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Have you ever actually studied that passage or similar? I have heard a good number of sermons, by those who actually have studied that passage, and apparently, at least to those who actually have studied the Scripture, it is not wise to allow someone to put their hands on you and pray for you when you do not know them.
I have studied it, have you? Hearing sermons, no matter how many, is not the same thing as studying......
The spiritual principal, is that God is greater than any man, and He will protect His children.
Oh and the elders of the church--mature believer's and they are supposed to decide on leadership. 
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 11:39:22 AM
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Memaw.
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The spiritual principal, is that God is greater than any man, and He will protect His children.
This is absolutely true, without any doubt.
However, God gives us wisdom and knowledge to stay away from all the things that are dangerous to us.
I'm not about to step in front of a moving train even though I KNOW God is greater than the train.
I truly believe allowing someone who does not believe in who Jesus is to pray for or lay hands on me is dangerous.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 11:50:33 AM
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solarflare
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ORIGINAL: Memaw.
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The spiritual principal, is that God is greater than any man, and He will protect His children.
This is absolutely true, without any doubt.
However, God gives us wisdom and knowledge to stay away from all the things that are dangerous to us.
I'm not about to step in front of a moving train even though I KNOW God is greater than the train.
I truly believe allowing someone who does not believe in who Jesus is to pray for or lay hands on me is dangerous.
Exactly. Fear is not the factor...wisdom and understanding the spiritual principals involved is the factor.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 2:07:22 PM
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DeliveredDarling
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I have studied it, have you? Is your sarcastic comeback really necessary? Are you a scholar of Greek? Why would I
take your word on what you have studied? Really.....
Hearing sermons, no matter how many, is not the same thing as studying......
Well, keep studying then. I find it alarming that you would think I don't study because I listen to sermons.
The spiritual principal, is that God is greater than any man, and He will protect His children.
That is not a principal. God is without doubt omnipotent. Not even close to what I am referring to. God does not protect the ignorant. People get hit by cars every day because they don't look both ways and some of them are Christians
Oh and the elders of the church--mature believer's and they are supposed to decide on leadership.
No, actually if you read and STUDY the NT, you will find that practicing believers relied on the Holy Spirit for wisdom
in setting aside the office of elder. Whatever
Solarflare, just an fyi, you get what you give. You were sarcastic and condescending and although I know better.....I gave it right back to you. You opened your mouth and stuck your foot in it before you even saw it.
It might do us both some good to think before we respond. 
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 2:07:40 PM
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solarflare
Have you ever actually studied that passage or similar? I have heard a good number of sermons, by those who actually have studied that passage . . .
This is very important. . . to be ignorant of God, His word, is foolish. However to rely solely on the teaching of men is also foolish. (I don't think this is what you are saying, I am just adding some emphasis.) We must be taught by the Holy Spirit Who is The Teacher. (John 14:26, I John 2:27)
I have heard all kinds of wrong teaching, coming from 'supposedly learned men'. These men used Greek, Hebrew, various references and sources and, of course, claimed the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as well. Yet they were wrong. . . very wrong. . . and their wrong teaching influenced many.
One can take the word of God and use it to prove almost any point. Scripture can be taken out of context and made to say 'whatever'.
And I am not saying anyone in particular is led by fear but God's word seems clear that we are either led by love or ruled by fear. (I John 4:7-21) Many men (or teachers) prey on the fear of man. It is sad. It is a bondage of the 'do this/don't do this' sort that Christ died to save us from. Yet men so often return to this bondage because of the illusion of 'safety' that it offers them.
In Christ we are free. And His Spirit will teach us and lead us into all truth if we are open and listening. He does not teach or lead in error. Nor does He impart fear. Perfect Love casts out fear. And the closer we grow to Jesus, knowing Him more and more, the less fear has any place in our lives.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 5:08:30 PM
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Memaw.
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just an fyi, you get what you give. You were sarcastic and condescending and although I know better.....I gave it right back to you. You opened your mouth and stuck your foot in it before you even saw it.
It might do us both some good to think before we respond.
Yes it would do good for everyone involved to think first, this is not an argument that will be won by "I'm right and you are wrong", na na boo boo childrens' tactics, this is a debate and as the author of this thread I'm going to ask that no one throws barbs again.
It is very unbecoming.
As to the fear remarks, I am not led by fear, I am led by the Holy Spirit and His discernment in which He imparts to me.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 5:19:01 PM
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As far as non-Christians offering to pray for me (assuming they are praying for a situation in my life, not for my conversion to their faith), I accept it in the concerned spirit with which it was intended. I feel the Lord has led me to keep communication open with unbelieving friends, and that in being obedient to that specific call to me, He will protect me from any possible spiritual harm.
The only time I've asked someone to not pray for me was fellow Christians who weren't really praying for me, but were praying for God to make me do something, believe something, or feel something because they wanted me to do so. I usually ask if they would instead just pray for God's will to work in my life whatever that will might be. If they can't agree to that, I ask them not to pray at all. Unfortunately, that type of person usually disregards that request.
That's why I always ask someone if I can pray for them. Especially if I know they aren't Christian. IF they don't want me to pray for them, I don't. I pray that God will give me wisdom to minister to them, but I don't pray for them without their consent.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 5:32:17 PM
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It is absolutely incorrect to teach or believe that the Holy Spirit is all you need. That is not at all what Scripture teaches.
You have got to be kidding me.....you really believe this, when scripture is clear:
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;
2Ti 3:17 so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work.
Where else would teaching come from?
A) it can come from man's poor misinterpretation
B) The Holy Spirit
C) The scriptures which are inspired by the Holy Spirit
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 5:47:26 PM
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/4/2009 7:47:19 PM
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solarflare
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It is absolutely incorrect to teach or believe that the Holy Spirit is all you need. That is not at all what Scripture teaches.
Many people go astray in the belief that they do not need anyone to correct or teach them. Their error is thinking that they cannot
be wrong because they 'have' the Holy Spirit. Those people are unteachable and very indignant when you try to correct them in any way.
That, is what I am referring to. Please make note that this is a general statement and not meant to be taken personally anymore than the original statement, quoted above, was a personal remark.
The verse I quoted, if applicable to those who are leaders, would most certainly apply to those under them.
However you are free to let anyone you want lay hands on you and pray for you. I will not do that. What I object to, is your use of the word fear. Fear has nothing to do with the reasons that I will not subject myself to someone I do not know for the laying on of hands.
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RE: Do NOT Pray For Me! - 11/5/2009 7:29:16 AM
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Memaw.
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I am thankful for people praying for me and with me. I have asked for prayer many times, but only from those whose life bears fruit. I wouldn't go to a dead plant expecting to get food from it.
Would you?
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