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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 3:01:11 PM
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I don't see how those posters are any better than the people they're making fun of.
Replace "conservative" with "liberal" and "elderly lady" with "hippie" and a good chunk of those are just as much an indictment of traditional church organizations.
And overall, it demonstrates a failure to honestly hear people out. They might have some really good points to make about the emergent movement or more liberal churches, but I simply don't have time to read the condemning and theological grandstanding of jerks.
It's discussed at great length in the blog. I do mean great length. For the ADD people the posters are simply a means of simplifying the teachings of the movement down to it's very basics. There is also a good bit of heresy in the movement by the way. It was discussed here at great length too a while back but that discussion with the pertinent information has gone to archive purgatory.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 3:03:38 PM
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Some of the nicest people I've met are Mormons. The older lady who took care of my brothers and I when we were young is a Mormon, and she is nicer than most of Christians I've met.
If you disregard whatever someone has to say simply because of his or her religious belief then you just go to show how ignorant you are, which just makes things worse for everybody. I'm not saying you have to agree with Beck, I'm just saying that you should not disagree with him because he is a Mormon.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 3:20:15 PM
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Some of the nicest people I've met are Mormons. The older lady who took care of my brothers and I when we were young is a Mormon, and she is nicer than most of Christians I've met.
If you disregard whatever someone has to say simply because of his or her religious belief then you just go to show how ignorant you are, which just makes things worse for everybody. I'm not saying you have to agree with Beck, I'm just saying that you should not disagree with him because he is a Mormon.
Mormonism is widely accepted to be a heretical corruption of the Christian faith. Polygamy, extrabiblical scriptures, denying the divinity of Christ, humans eventually become gods in their own right... it's just absolutely wrong.
Yes, they're nice people. Their religion is based on earning salvation by being a good person. They'd be pretty bad Mormons if they weren't nice.
Do I disparage Mormons just for being Mormons? No. Free country, they're welcome to subscribe to whatever cultic heresy they want.
But when one of them gets on tv and starts trying act like he's a Christian, and call out Christian churches as heretical, and encourage people to leave their churches? That's an attack on one religion by a member of another.
It would be horrendously offensive if he was a Christian. It's even worse because what the heck do Mormons know about true Christianity? That's like a child molester getting on tv and lecturing people on living a moral life. It's a joke.
He's welcome to be a Mormon, but the moment he hauls his heretical rear up there and starts trying to mislead my brothers and sisters in Christ, yeah, I have a problem. If you think that makes me ignorant, then we probably have nothing to discuss.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 7:31:38 PM
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Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
yes, and he is a newer convert, who had his alcoholism cured by the Jesus he found in the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I am sure that as busy as he is with political stuff, that he has not considered the deeper things that the Mormons teach.
I have not idea where he is spiritually, only that I just feel we cannot dismiss folks who may attend a Chruch which we consider heretical as all being lost. No more than we can consider folks who attend a really solid doctrinal Church as all being saved.
I do agree with what he said that if one's Church is into Social Justice, Revolutioin theology or that other mess; it is best to Run Forrest Run.
Euty, here is something out of my past that you might enjoy and relate to;
MY great grandfather preached his last sermon in 1953 at the age of 84 (Having been a Pastor/Evangelist with the Baptist and SBC for over 63 years). He had been blessed to have founded ovedr 40 Churches in Indian Territory, and later in Oklahoma. He preached that when we get to Heaven we will be suprised at the folks that will be there. He reaffirmed that the only way to salvation was through faith in Christ, but that there would certainly be some Mormons there, some Pentecostals, and even a few Jehova's because someone can find Christ while walking down the street passing out phamplets.
Then he said that what will even be a bigger surprise when we get to Heaven would be the high number of Baptist Deacons that would not be there. 
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:47:45 PM
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Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
yes, and he is a newer convert, who had his alcoholism cured by the Jesus he found in the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I am sure that as busy as he is with political stuff, that he has not considered the deeper things that the Mormons teach.
I have not idea where he is spiritually, only that I just feel we cannot dismiss folks who may attend a Chruch which we consider heretical as all being lost. No more than we can consider folks who attend a really solid doctrinal Church as all being saved.
Holy jeebus, the irony and hypocrisy is so thick in here I think I'm going to suffocate.
All this deference and benefit of the doubt given to a man who makes a living by drumming up political (and now religious) strife and proudly proclaims membership in a heretical, pseudo-Christian cult, while at the same time all manner of doubts and aspersions are cast about our president and his theologically questionable christian-ish religion.
Let me see if I have this right: if you agree with someone's political views, then you ought to treat their religious views with kid gloves. However, if you disagree with their political views, then you ought to exaggerate and manufacture all sorts of paranoid claims about that person's religious views including, but not limited to, declaring them a member of a completely different religion known for fostering violence.
Unbelievable.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 8:57:46 PM
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Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
yes, and he is a newer convert, who had his alcoholism cured by the Jesus he found in the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I am sure that as busy as he is with political stuff, that he has not considered the deeper things that the Mormons teach.
I have not idea where he is spiritually, only that I just feel we cannot dismiss folks who may attend a Chruch which we consider heretical as all being lost. No more than we can consider folks who attend a really solid doctrinal Church as all being saved.
I do agree with what he said that if one's Church is into Social Justice, Revolutioin theology or that other mess; it is best to Run Forrest Run.
Euty, here is something out of my past that you might enjoy and relate to;
MY great grandfather preached his last sermon in 1953 at the age of 84 (Having been a Pastor/Evangelist with the Baptist and SBC for over 63 years). He had been blessed to have founded ovedr 40 Churches in Indian Territory, and later in Oklahoma. He preached that when we get to Heaven we will be suprised at the folks that will be there. He reaffirmed that the only way to salvation was through faith in Christ, but that there would certainly be some Mormons there, some Pentecostals, and even a few Jehova's because someone can find Christ while walking down the street passing out phamplets.
Then he said that what will even be a bigger surprise when we get to Heaven would be the high number of Baptist Deacons that would not be there.
Thanks
RC
Sounds like he was a man wise beyond his years rc!
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 9:42:34 PM
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Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
yes, and he is a newer convert, who had his alcoholism cured by the Jesus he found in the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I am sure that as busy as he is with political stuff, that he has not considered the deeper things that the Mormons teach.
I have not idea where he is spiritually, only that I just feel we cannot dismiss folks who may attend a Chruch which we consider heretical as all being lost. No more than we can consider folks who attend a really solid doctrinal Church as all being saved.
Two words: Reverend Wright
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I do agree with what he said that if one's Church is into Social Justice, Revolutioin theology or that other mess; it is best to Run Forrest Run.
But not if they teach you that you will become a god through works?
You're being biased because of the man's politics.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 10:02:55 PM
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MY great grandfather preached his last sermon in 1953 at the age of 84 (Having been a Pastor/Evangelist with the Baptist and SBC for over 63 years). He had been blessed to have founded ovedr 40 Churches in Indian Territory, and later in Oklahoma. He preached that when we get to Heaven we will be suprised at the folks that will be there. He reaffirmed that the only way to salvation was through faith in Christ, but that there would certainly be some Mormons there, some Pentecostals, and even a few Jehova's because someone can find Christ while walking down the street passing out phamplets.
Then he said that what will even be a bigger surprise when we get to Heaven would be the high number of Baptist Deacons that would not be there.
Thanks
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One of the better things I've seen you write. I can't stand Beck's show. Don't know him personally, and wouldn't expect to like him much but I wouldn't be utterly shocked to see him in heaven. I agree with your great granddad. Very similar to something I once saw in a CS Lewis essay. Did Lewis ever get to OK?
This applies to Ed Kennedy too, right? (Sorry. The last paragraph was too nice, so I had to be a putz on the last part.)
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/11/2010 10:09:26 PM
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MY great grandfather preached his last sermon in 1953 at the age of 84 (Having been a Pastor/Evangelist with the Baptist and SBC for over 63 years). He had been blessed to have founded ovedr 40 Churches in Indian Territory, and later in Oklahoma. He preached that when we get to Heaven we will be suprised at the folks that will be there. He reaffirmed that the only way to salvation was through faith in Christ, but that there would certainly be some Mormons there, some Pentecostals, and even a few Jehova's because someone can find Christ while walking down the street passing out phamplets.
Then he said that what will even be a bigger surprise when we get to Heaven would be the high number of Baptist Deacons that would not be there.
Thanks
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One of the better things I've seen you write. I can't stand Beck's show. Don't know him personally, and wouldn't expect to like him much but I wouldn't be utterly shocked to see him in heaven. I agree with your great granddad. Very similar to something I once saw in a CS Lewis essay. Did Lewis ever get to OK?
This applies to Ed Kennedy too, right? (Sorry. The last paragraph was too nice, so I had to be a putz on the last part.)
I should add that I also agree with RC's grandfather. My beef is with the attitudes towards Obama's beliefs.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 9:16:47 AM
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Yet Beck remains in the heretical cult and is mighty, mighty proud to be a Mormon.
yes, and he is a newer convert, who had his alcoholism cured by the Jesus he found in the Chruch of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And I am sure that as busy as he is with political stuff, that he has not considered the deeper things that the Mormons teach.
I have not idea where he is spiritually, only that I just feel we cannot dismiss folks who may attend a Chruch which we consider heretical as all being lost. No more than we can consider folks who attend a really solid doctrinal Church as all being saved.
Holy jeebus, the irony and hypocrisy is so thick in here I think I'm going to suffocate.
All this deference and benefit of the doubt given to a man who makes a living by drumming up political (and now religious) strife and proudly proclaims membership in a heretical, pseudo-Christian cult, while at the same time all manner of doubts and aspersions are cast about our president and his theologically questionable christian-ish religion.
John 8:32 speaks to what Beck is doing.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 9:19:45 AM
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But not if they teach you that you will become a god through works?
You're being biased because of the man's politics.
Can you give an absolute guarentee that Beck is not saved (indwelt by the Holy Spirit).
And if you think you can, please tell what you base that opinion on.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 9:30:35 AM
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John 8:32 speaks to what Beck is doing.
More like 2 Timothy 4:3
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 9:37:42 AM
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John 8:32 speaks to what Beck is doing.
More like 2 Timothy 4:3
-Dan.
Would you be so kind as to list the lies that Beck has told on his TV show?
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 9:52:50 AM
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John 8:32 speaks to what Beck is doing.
More like 2 Timothy 4:3
-Dan.
That verse can also be used with the issue of many churches falling for the social justice lie. Like was posted early in the thread, God can use anything or anyone to get a message out, even a donkey or *gasp* someone who is a mormon. For the record, I didn't need GB to tell me this. After working in social services in a "christian" organization it wasn't too hard to see that God isn't really part of the solution to the problem, government is. I also learned that the people these organizations are "helping" are no more than a commodity. Every person served means lots of government $$$$$$ for the "nonprofit" organization.
3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 10:01:57 AM
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John 8:32 speaks to what Beck is doing.
More like 2 Timothy 4:3
-Dan.
Would you be so kind as to list the lies that Beck has told on his TV show?
To answer your question:
Well, there was this thread
The whole thing about Rockefeller Center being some sort of marxist monument.
The constant characterizing of Obama as an extreme socialist and marxist.
Not that I really care about his incident with the women on The View, but there was that.
But the verse isn't limited to outright lies. It talked about false teachers spouting unsound doctrine to itching ears. The primary issue not just with him, but with the entire genre of programming (of which he seems to be the king at the moment), as well as just about any other "false teacher" is the distortion of facts and manipulation of people's emotions. There's always nuggets of truth in the message - that's how the message is effective. But that truth is massaged and distorted in such a way to make the totality of the end message a lie. I suppose if you buy into the name-it-claim-it theology of the emergent church, or the high-dollar showmanship of Benny Hinn, or the nonsensical, paranoid, fear peddling of Glenn Beck, then it looks to you like they're telling you the truth. But the truth is that they're manipulating you and telling you what you want to hear.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 10:15:40 AM
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To answer your question:
Well, there was this thread
A lot of differences of opinion in that thread, but I find no proof of an outright lie.
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The whole thing about Rockefeller Center being some sort of marxist monument
Have you ever been to Rockefeller Center, what he said was absolutely true.
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The constant characterizing of Obama as an extreme socialist and marxist.
Up until today as President, and with his history, heros, etc. I will agree with the extreme socialist, and ectreme socialism's next step is Marxism.
Now I give you that he might change, but so far I have seen nothing except govenmental takeover of everything that he can get his hands on while driving the country towards certain bankruptcy.
And that my friend is socialism.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 10:21:00 AM
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well the view is feminism evil. if you a guy they despise you.
dan that verse also accounts to a lot of churches open today if your words are true, and i am not talking JW, mormon, scientology or such.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 11:25:36 AM
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But not if they teach you that you will become a god through works?
You're being biased because of the man's politics.
Can you give an absolute guarentee that Beck is not saved (indwelt by the Holy Spirit).
And if you think you can, please tell what you base that opinion on.
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No.
If he is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I can tell you he is a member of a cultic heresy that actively works against the Kingdom of your Lord (and mine).
To be clear: when a man who you tend to agree with politically is confirmed as being a member of a full-blown enemy-of-God cult, you defend him and ask us to consider that maybe, just maybe, he's a Christian anyway.
But when a man you don't agree with politically (who claims the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior) is accused of being a Muslim/extremist, you join the chorus and cast aspersions on the man's faith.
You're treating Beck with kid gloves because you like what he says politically.
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RE: Glen Beck: "...leave your church" - 3/12/2010 2:48:33 PM
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To be clear: when a man who you tend to agree with politically is confirmed as being a member of a full-blown enemy-of-God cult, you defend him and ask us to consider that maybe, just maybe, he's a Christian anyway.
But when a man you don't agree with politically (who claims the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior) is accused of being a Muslim/extremist, you join the chorus and cast aspersions on the man's faith.
I seem to have heard one profess Jesus Christ as Savior but I have not heard those words in that way from the other. Have you?
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