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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 12:02:28 PM
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If he were to become an in-patient somewhere, would he have to consent to it?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 3:22:27 PM
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this.
Dh and I go for marriage therapy from 4:00 to 5:00 today. Ds3's psychiatry appointment is at 5:30. The first appointment isn't far from home--about ten minutes--but then to get back home to pick him up and then from home to downtown, through rush hour traffic and get there on time for 5:30 is iffy. Dh has his art show tomorrow and it's my job to buy the refreshments. I decided to do that this evening so I could sleep this afternoon (which I tried to do but didn't really succeed). The store I go for that closes at 8:30. I could ask one of the other boys to drive ds3 to his appointment but I'm wondering, given the state ds3 is in, maybe it would be best if I go. Maybe the doctor will have something to say to me again--and so ds3 knows that I'm supporting him and not pushing him aside. If I do that, I'll get him home for about 7:00, leaving myself an hour and a half to do the shopping. The first appointment is to the south, the second is to the east, the shopping is to the north.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 4:03:16 PM
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Maggie, my heart goes out to you. I wish I could say something that would be of value, but I really can't find the words. I am seriously praying for you and your son. After reading about the bag over his head, you must be a nervous wreck. And, your in the middle of marriage counseling, too?? I pray the Lord keep you strong for yourself, your marriage and your children.
Pinkcarnations, I pray for you, too. Has your neighbor moved back home yet? I feel for him. His wife's death was so sudden. I wondered if he would actually be happy leaving his home and moving in with his children. Guess he wasn't.
To all my other brothers and sisters, I hope all is well with you and yours.
P.S. Has anyone heard from Justyna????
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 4:38:03 PM
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Thank you for praying, Melissa. Only God is going to get us through this. I know I can't.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 5:44:33 PM
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this. Maggie. I think it's worth seeing about this. You need to have some strength to support your son and right now, you simply don't have that (and I'm not just talking about the bug you have).
Maggie, could one of your sons go shopping for you if you decide to take ds3 to his psychiatrist appointment?
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 10:40:02 PM
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this.
I hope for your sake and for his that you can get him to a hospital. You're one woman with a lot going on. You need to get some peace of mind. My heart breaks for you. I know that you only want the best for him. In most places in the US, all you would have to do it tell the doctor(s) what you and your dh have witnessed and they would do an evaluation and have him hospitalized for 72 hours, possibly longer if he was willing.
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Maggie, my heart goes out to you. I wish I could say something that would be of value, but I really can't find the words. I am seriously praying for you and your son. After reading about the bag over his head, you must be a nervous wreck. And, your in the middle of marriage counseling, too?? I pray the Lord keep you strong for yourself, your marriage and your children.
Me too.
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Pinkcarnations, I pray for you, too.
Thank you. It helps to know that others are praying. I am really having a hard time right now.
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Has your neighbor moved back home yet? I feel for him. His wife's death was so sudden. I wondered if he would actually be happy leaving his home and moving in with his children. Guess he wasn't.
I think he just wanted to be home. I'm thankful that his children have found a way to make that happen for him. They will be traveling back on Sunday. It's a 10 hour drive, I'm sure they'll appreciate prayers.
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((((Melissa)))))
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this. Maggie. I think it's worth seeing about this. You need to have some strength to support your son and right now, you simply don't have that (and I'm not just talking about the bug you have).
Maggie, could one of your sons go shopping for you if you decide to take ds3 to his psychiatrist appointment?
Good ideas.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/30/2009 10:54:03 PM
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this.
I hope you are able to get him the help he needs and would suggest you seriously consider the hospital option asap, for everyone's sake. Over here anyway, the suicide attempt involving the bag would have been enough for him to be admitted right away.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 12:08:11 AM
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Maggie
Is there any chance of him being an in-patient while they sort out his medication? It sounds like it's sent him from one extreme to another - it may be that all that's needed is an adjustment, but that he needs to be somewhere safe while they do this.
I really agree with this. Med changes can be tough at the best of times. I suspect his psychiatrist made too big a cut and this is the result.
Prays and (((((Maggie)))))
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 12:12:32 AM
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Prayers and (((((Roberta)))))
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 12:13:51 AM
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In other threads, much has been said about halloween. But, I wanted to take a moment to share with you what it means to me. It was my mother's birthday. Today she would be 84 years old. God took her home on Father's Day, June 19, 2005. I miss her more than I can even tell ya. Not a single day has passed that I have not thought of her. Four years later, I still want to pick up the phone and call her.
God uses mysterious ways to confirm to me He truly hears me. As midnight just rolled around, I almost wanted to feel pity and cry. I miss her so very much. But wouldn't you know as I turned the tv on the song by Alan Jackson was playing, Don't Worry About Me. Those words were some of the last words my mother spoke to me. After nine weeks of her being in the hospital, I lost it one day. It was the only time I ever let her see me cry. She scolded me by saying, Melissa, where is your faith??? I am in the Lord's hands. You have your own.family to take care of. Live your life and don't worry about me....
God is very good. I am so thankful for hearing that song at just the right time. I may cry but I don't grieve. She is fine, singing and dancing with the angels in Heaven. Thank You, Lord for my momma.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 12:21:22 AM
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Well, here's what happened.
I met dh at the psychologist's and said as soon as we were ready to talk that I wanted to talk about relationship. Dh said that he's in a very bad place because of ds3 and needs help. It sounded like he wanted the whole session to deal with that. We're there for marriage therapy not personal therapy. He certainly needs the personal stuff too, but that's not what this is supposed to be. I was really upset and ready to walk out the door. Actually, there were several times I wanted to walk out.
The whole session was like being in another country where we're not speaking the same language. He can't have a good relationship with me because I didn't help clean the house for the art sho or because I'm on my computer when he wants to talk (even though I drop what I'm doing to interact with him), and so on. So the discussion became about conflict resolution instead of simple relating. I sobbed through the entire time. It was truly a mess. One thing the psychologist pointed out to him was that when he clams up in anger, that divides instead of unites and though it's easier to just shut down, what he needs to do is engage with me in resolving the problem.
We got out just before 5:00 and I dashed home to get ds3 and take him to the doctor. I was going to have one of his brothers do that but at the last minute, I decided that he's in such bad shape that I should be there in case the doctor wanted to talk to me like he did the last time. In fact, he did! If we're fearing for his life again, we're to take him to Emergency and insist that he be admitted. His medicines have been changed again and now I'm so confused about what he's supposed to be taking. The doctor has written a letter for his professors, explaining that he's not been well and therefore unable to do his work or attend classes. He's seeing him again on Tuesday and will be at the office tomorrow (on Saturday!--does the guy never go home?) if we need to call him. So that's good.
Oh! But the doctor had double booked himself for 5:30 and the other patient went in first. Ds3 had been offered two free tickets to the symphony tonight so this was stressful because we didn't know how long we'd be. The other patient was only half an hour and we were only half an hour so it all worked out.
I dashed ds3 back home and called ds1 who had offered to go shopping with me. Ds2 had also offered but ds3 wanted my van for the symphony and ds2 had gone to sleep so ds1 it was. Good thing I had him with me because I was so dead by the time we were done and he did all the hard work. We went to Costco, Walmart and Safeway. I walked so slowly and I got slower and slower and slower. Ds3 wound up not going to the symphony, so he was able to help bring in groceries. Good thing because I was useless.
Thanks for all your kind words, prayer and encouragement. I do appreciate it very much.
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Over here anyway, the suicide attempt involving the bag would have been enough for him to be admitted right away. Yeah, I guess I wasn't convinced it was a real attempt. Or maybe I wasn't thinking.
Roberta, I'm sorry you're having such a hard time. I don't envy what you're going through at all. Keep holding on to God. I'm praying for you.
{{{{{{{{{Melissa}}}}}}}}}} I'm sorry for the loss of your mom. That's hard.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 5:26:30 AM
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Over here anyway, the suicide attempt involving the bag would have been enough for him to be admitted right away. Yeah, I guess I wasn't convinced it was a real attempt. Or maybe I wasn't thinking. Maggie, whether it was a real attempt or not, if you son is prepared to be admitted (as you think he is), it may be an idea. People still die when they don't intend to make a 'real attempt'. It's not doing you as an individual any good right now, it's not doing your marriage any good. So often health problems (not just talking about mental health problems) can take over our lives. It can be really difficult to focus on something else ~ and that seemed to be your dh's problem at your marriage counselling session yesterday.
Please phone the doctor about your ds's meds to find out how he's supposed to take them. If you can't get in touch with your doctor, your pharmacist should be able to help you.
Melissa, I'm sorry that you miss your mother.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 8:40:30 AM
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Hi y'all. Someone mentioned a bipolar thread. I did a search and can't find it. Where is the bipolar thread?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 10:49:16 AM
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Ds3 says he knows what he's supposed to be doing with the meds so, for now at least, I'm leaving it to him. I'm hiding out from the art show. Everyone seems to be in good spirits though, so that's good. I'd still be sleeping but I can't sleep. I had a hard time going to sleep last night too--eventually cried myself to sleep. In addition to all the stress, etc., I think pms is kicking in which is probably making everything seem bigger than it really is.
Dh has worked really hard in getting the house ready for the art show. To make more room (he says he's invited 1000 people though nowhere near that number will show up, I know), he's put all the dining chairs (they're large) and both rocking chairs up in our bedroom. It doesn't interfere with me, really, unless I want in the closet but I don't know how dh makes his way from his side of the bed, past all the obstacles, to get out of the room, especially in the middle of the night. But downstairs looks nice--spacious, relaxed and the walls covered with framed paintings--at least 60 of them. All the boys are helping get things ready, which is good, since I'm not. I just heard the first guests arrive, ten minutes early. I brought some food up here last night on my way to bed, so I'm set for a while.
Roberta, have things improved at all for you this morning?
Hey Ginny! Good to see you here!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 11:09:20 AM
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(((Maggie)))
Even if you're not going to take any (hospital) action right now, I would respectfully suggest you make a proper note somewhere of your son's recent "incidents" (the bag over his head, the suicidal thoughts), documenting the date and time, so that if anything else happens, you have that as extra back-up/evidence for being admitted. Of course by all means hope that his meds are sorted and nothing like this happens again - it's just that I have always found it helpful to both prepare for the worst AND hope for the best.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 11:41:09 AM
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Even if you're not going to take any (hospital) action right now, I would respectfully suggest you make a proper note somewhere of your son's recent "incidents" (the bag over his head, the suicidal thoughts), documenting the date and time, so that if anything else happens, you have that as extra back-up/evidence for being admitted. Of course by all means hope that his meds are sorted and nothing like this happens again - it's just that I have always found it helpful to both prepare for the worst AND hope for the best.
Maggie, this seems to make sense - and, given your son's state, perhaps it would be a good idea for someone other than him to understand how his medicines are supposed to be administered.
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But, I wanted to take a moment to share with you what it means to me. It was my mother's birthday. Today she would be 84 years old. God took her home on Father's Day, June 19, 2005. I miss her more than I can even tell ya. Not a single day has passed that I have not thought of her. Four years later, I still want to pick up the phone and call her.
God uses mysterious ways to confirm to me He truly hears me. As midnight just rolled around, I almost wanted to feel pity and cry. I miss her so very much. But wouldn't you know as I turned the tv on the song by Alan Jackson was playing, Don't Worry About Me. Those words were some of the last words my mother spoke to me. After nine weeks of her being in the hospital, I lost it one day. It was the only time I ever let her see me cry. She scolded me by saying, Melissa, where is your faith??? I am in the Lord's hands. You have your own.family to take care of. Live your life and don't worry about me....
God is very good. I am so thankful for hearing that song at just the right time. I may cry but I don't grieve. She is fine, singing and dancing with the angels in Heaven. Thank You, Lord for my momma.
((Melissa)) I am sure it must be very hard to lose your Mom, even after a bit of time has passed.
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 12:19:55 PM
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I think he would consent to going to the hospital and his doctor has talked about doing that--as a last resort. His psychiatrist, however, like mine, does not have admitting privileges so the only way he could go is through Emergency. I'm ready for him to be in the hospital. I can't take this.
I hope you are able to get him the help he needs and would suggest you seriously consider the hospital option asap, for everyone's sake. Over here anyway, the suicide attempt involving the bag would have been enough for him to be admitted right away.
It would be here too.
Hi Harvie & Edith.
((((Melissa)))) I'm sorry for the loss of your mom. I'm sure it hurts when you have to face special days without her.
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Over here anyway, the suicide attempt involving the bag would have been enough for him to be admitted right away. Yeah, I guess I wasn't convinced it was a real attempt. Or maybe I wasn't thinking.
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Maggie, whether it was a real attempt or not, if you son is prepared to be admitted (as you think he is), it may be an idea. People still die when they don't intend to make a 'real attempt'. It's not doing you as an individual any good right now, it's not doing your marriage any good. So often health problems (not just talking about mental health problems) can take over our lives. It can be really difficult to focus on something else ~ and that seemed to be your dh's problem at your marriage counselling session yesterday.
Please phone the doctor about your ds's meds to find out how he's supposed to take them. If you can't get in touch with your doctor, your pharmacist should be able to help you.
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(((Maggie)))
Even if you're not going to take any (hospital) action right now, I would respectfully suggest you make a proper note somewhere of your son's recent "incidents" (the bag over his head, the suicidal thoughts), documenting the date and time, so that if anything else happens, you have that as extra back-up/evidence for being admitted. Of course by all means hope that his meds are sorted and nothing like this happens again - it's just that I have always found it helpful to both prepare for the worst AND hope for the best.
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Maggie, this seems to make sense - and, given your son's state, perhaps it would be a good idea for someone other than him to understand how his medicines are supposed to be administered.
((((Maggie)))) just echoing what Manda, agapetos and Elizabeth said.
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Hi y'all. Someone mentioned a bipolar thread. I did a search and can't find it. Where is the bipolar thread?
Hi Ginny and welcome to the thread. 
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Ds3 says he knows what he's supposed to be doing with the meds so, for now at least, I'm leaving it to him. I'm hiding out from the art show. Everyone seems to be in good spirits though, so that's good. I'd still be sleeping but I can't sleep. I had a hard time going to sleep last night too--eventually cried myself to sleep. In addition to all the stress, etc., I think pms is kicking in which is probably making everything seem bigger than it really is.
Dh has worked really hard in getting the house ready for the art show. To make more room (he says he's invited 1000 people though nowhere near that number will show up, I know), he's put all the dining chairs (they're large) and both rocking chairs up in our bedroom. It doesn't interfere with me, really, unless I want in the closet but I don't know how dh makes his way from his side of the bed, past all the obstacles, to get out of the room, especially in the middle of the night. But downstairs looks nice--spacious, relaxed and the walls covered with framed paintings--at least 60 of them. All the boys are helping get things ready, which is good, since I'm not. I just heard the first guests arrive, ten minutes early. I brought some food up here last night on my way to bed, so I'm set for a while.
No doubt in my mind that pms plays a part. I'm glad that you have the chance to hide out.
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Roberta, have things improved at all for you this morning?
A little. Our church/community is having a big party today. It's from 4-7. I'm supposed to be there from 2-9 to help out. I called the youth pastor's wife and told her that I could do set up, tear down or help while everyone was there. She asked if I would just come from 4-7 and help out then.
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I hope you have a better day today, Roberta. Does woeking at busy church events add more pressure, or does it help you cope with not-so-great days?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 3:24:29 PM
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sometimes it helps to stay busy, sometimes the physical pain is too much so it hurts to stay busy. Running late for the shower!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 8:06:40 PM
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Even if you're not going to take any (hospital) action right now, I would respectfully suggest you make a proper note somewhere of your son's recent "incidents" (the bag over his head, the suicidal thoughts), documenting the date and time, so that if anything else happens, you have that as extra back-up/evidence for being admitted. He's been writing about it himself, quite freely, on his blog. Any doctor in Emergency could also contact his psychiatrist who would back everything up. But I appreciate the heads up. I hadn't thought of that.
I stayed upstairs for the entire day--sleeping for a nice chunk of it. I was ready to go downstairs before the event was over but when I heard the voices down there, I decided I didn't want to be there. One guest (who we don't really know) seems to have made this the event of his day. He's been here for seven or eight hours (depending on whose account you listen to). He lives a number of hours away from the city, so I'm guessing that he drove in just for this and figures he may as well make a day of it. In connection to that, he's eaten way more than his share of the food that's been laid out, probably because this will be his only "meal" of the day. He's also been cornering all the other guests and engaging them in conversation. When he leaves, I'll feel free to go downstairs.
Ds3 seems to be doing well. Apparently, he's been downstairs with the art show all day. He was going to hide like me. The fact that he hasn't, tells me that he's doing okay. He was actually seeming a whole lot better last night after the doctor visit. I'm relieved.
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He's been writing about it himself, quite freely, on his blog. Can he delete posts from his blog?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 10/31/2009 10:00:02 PM
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Hi and ((((((HUGS to everyone))))))!
Melissa, sorry about your mother. It's hard missing a family member, especially at holiday time.
Maggie, glad to hear that your son is doing better. Praying for you and your family.
Roberta, Aga, Elizabeth, Manda and everyone else, how are you doing today?
Vinny, welcome to this thread!
I'm doing well today. I did lots of leaf blowing and picking up today. Right now, I just finished watching Fox news. Pretty depressing stuff. I'm staying downstairs and on the computer so I don't have to answer the doorbell. I told my Mom that it's not fair to have me pass out sugary candy to trick-or-treaters, when I shouldn't be eating any of it myself. Too tempting in other words. Except for two small snack size bars, I've stayed out of it.
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