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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/1/2009 11:07:41 PM
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Roberta, just a thought, but do you think that your panic attack this morning had anything to do with the fact you decided to stop taking your medication for at least one day (not sure how many days you missed, your post said you were going to give it a try for a day or so)?
I know that I'm not on a lot of medication right now, but when I was, and forgot to take it, I'd know about it a few days later. I wonder if that's what has happened with you this morning?
I don't think so. I think I had a panic attack because I have a panic disorder that this "medicine" is now making worse instead of better. There is also a possibility of a delayed reaction from over-stimulation last night. We had around 450 people show up to our church/community celebration.
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I made it to church. Stayed for about 3 minutes. Panic set in and I took off.
Roberta,
I was just wondering why you took off instead of just perhaps going to the ladies loo and waiting till it passed (doing some deep breathing, focusing on one particular object, or whatever other coping mechanisms you've been taught), or going to sit in your car for a while and then going back in, or even grabbing someone for prayer?
I had forgotten my purse at home. My purse has a few items to help cope with a panic attack. Deep breathing is not recommended during a panic attack........ does something to oxygen levels which can make the attack worse. Church is only a quarter of a mile away, so I walk, so that means that I couldn't go sit in my car. I was in the very back of the church, the next closest person to me was about 3-4 rows up. I have no idea who was even at church. I know my dd's principal was there because he was speaking. I am pretty sure the pastor was there. Other than that, I have no idea who was or wasn't there to grab for prayer.
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Are you ashamed of your panic attacks perhaps? Because, if you are, there's no need. You're not the first person to have a panic attack, and you won't be the last either.
Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church.
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Perhaps next time you could try sticking around and doing something different, rather than what you've always done before. Sometimes it takes trying something new to beat it.
Sometimes it works to stick around and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, it's bad.
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Thank you Harvie.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 12:22:08 AM
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Melissa (without the cat) - I pray that November will be a better month for you.
Melissa (with the cat) - Glad it was you doing the choosing. Good for you.
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Yes, he paints using watercolours .
Wow! Is your family ever talented!
Roberta, sorry about the panic attack. It must be very discouraging. But I've learned that the one person it's hardest to see clearly is ourselves. Like agapetos said, you've come along way in the last six months. You are working hard to keep active and involved. Give yourself a little grace; God does. And yes, it is only 2 months until January and see the pdoc, so just try and hang in there.
Elizabeth, sorry you're having trouble adjusting to being home. Your husbands refusal to get help and/or his consciously or unconsciouisly setting things up for failure (ie dental cosmetic surgery/doctor appointment) is not your fault and you should not take it upon yourself to make everything "work."
You may need an attitude re-adjustment, but for YOUR sake, not necessarily his. You can't make him better; you can't even make him WANT to be better. You have your own issues to deal with. And while you may feel that you have a duty to be there, that doesn't mean you are responsible to fix everything. Obviously even the idea of that is totally unreasonable. As I said to Roberta, give yourself some grace; because God does.
Thanks for your prayers Harvie. We all need to keep praying for each other.
Manda, your advice to Roberta is good. However, Roberta said:
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Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church.
Sometimes it works to stick around and sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't work, it's bad.
We have to leave it to her to assess the attitudes of those around her. She lives in a small town and is in more of a position to know about that. I have a tendency to think her assessment is probably pretty accurate. Not only that, but she's lived there for a long time (nothwithstanding her stay in CA). I'm sure she appreciates your concern and advice.
Have a good night all.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 2:13:03 AM
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Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church. {{{{{{{{{{Roberta}}}}}}}}}}}}
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Wow! Is your family ever talented! Yes, it is. Thanks.
Roberta and Elizabeth, read again what Edith (Bountiful) said to you. She's on target.
I hid out in my bedroom all day, once I woke up (did I say earlier that I didn't get to sleep last night till 8:00 this morning?). My mom came a couple hours before the art show ended and was brave enough to come seek me out upstairs. So we sat and chatted for a bit. She had brought her computer so I told her to go get it and I'd check out the problem she was having. I found a way to fix it and suggested that I give her another lesson. So we looked at what to do with unwanted e-mail that clogs the inbox (look for the unsubscribe link at the bottom of an offending e-mail; block the sender; create a special folder and create a rule that certain e-mails must bypass the inbox and be put in this other folder). Then we talked about wifi and how to use it. This necessitated me figuring out how her system works, since it's different from mine, but I think I got it down enough that she has an idea. She's off to a funeral this week and to visit my sister who lives near where the funeral will be (1000 miles away) but when she gets back, we're going to do a field trip to several different places that have wifi so she can see the different ways it presents itself and how to access it. That will be fun.
I got trapped in the washroom at one point because as I was about to open the door, I heard men's voices very nearby. I was on the second floor and there was no reason for any guest to be up there. Not sure why they were. Thankfully, they didn't stay long, and went back downstairs.
The guest who stayed too long yesterday came back today but when he left (and he didn't stay too long this time), he said he'd leave the paintings he had purchased until he was ready to leave the city and drive home. Dh should have encouraged him to take them then but I guess he didn't know how. Thankfully it worked out and he didn't stay that third time he arrived--though I was in my nightgown, braless, and didn't really want to be seen that way by a man I don't know.
Three other guests arrived a couple hours after the artshow was over. They had gotten the times mixed up and thought it was from 6:00 p.m. to 10:00 p.m., not 10:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. But this was my very dear friend from childhood--the person I'm probably closest to in the city--and her husband and daughter and I was quite delighted to see them. Her husband didn't mind seeing me in such rough fashion. He lives with a wife and four daughters so I'm sure he's seen worse (though his wife and daughters have more shapely figures, unlike my lump of lard). They didn't stay long and I enjoyed their visit.
We think ds1 sold all 100 of his CDs. Actually, he may have sold more than he had because I sent money down with dh to buy four CDs before they ran out and when I finally came downstairs, ds1 was gone and we could only find two CDs.
Dh was very upset that he didn't sell much. When he did all the calculations, I think he did fantastically. He sold alot! He's not to be comforted or assuaged of his disappointment because he had hoped to make twice what he did. Like I said to someone just a day or two ago, it doesn't matter how much money people have, they always think they don't have enough.
I'm hoping I can sleep but I have a developing migraine. I hate migraines. Dh has tomorrow off work so he'll be able to rest from the tension and busyness of the weekend. Aside from sleeping in, I doubt he'll do much resting though. I hope his presence all day won't increase the tension at home. He made it evident over the past few days that he resents me not helping with preparations for the art show. He would argue the point but even my mom saw it.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 2:13:58 AM
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Roberta, people can set goals and targets for themselves about anything they want to achieve in their life (not just coming off their medication). The problem is they get very disappointed and angry when they set those goals and targets in stone (as you have). Life so often gets in the way of our goals and targets.
This is a very good point. Goals are good when we use them as tools. When we decide it's essential to meet them, they're no longer serving a useful purpose.
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Often we need to get out of a certain situation before we can see it objectively. It sounds to me like that's what happened when you went to New York. Now you're back and the vision gets clouded again. {{{{{{{{{{{Elizabeth}}}}}}}}}}}
Thanks for the hugs, Maggie. I think you are quite right.
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Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church.
((Roberta)) That is so sad. I am always concerned about the people who handle prescriptions at work gossiping about who is on what meds, as I'm sure taking mh meds isn't widely accepted within the organization. Having to worry about being judged because of mh issues at church, though, is just wrong.
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You may need an attitude re-adjustment, but for YOUR sake, not necessarily his. You can't make him better; you can't even make him WANT to be better. You have your own issues to deal with. And while you may feel that you have a duty to be there, that doesn't mean you are responsible to fix everything. Obviously even the idea of that is totally unreasonable.
Yes, I know I can't fix dh's problems. I'm being selfish, honestly, wanting him to participate in our marriage in ways he just can't right now, because of his illness. On reflection, I realize that he isn't even well enough to grasp that it's in his best interest to invest effort in treatment, and that improvement in his health would lead to improvements in his life. I also realize I need to focus on what I should be doing, and not on all the things I think dh should be doing.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 4:02:02 AM
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Deep breathing is not recommended during a panic attack I've not heard that deep breathing isn't recommended... but something that is recommended for panic attacks in concentrated and controlled breathing and there is a method that I've mentioned before that can help people. The good thing about that is you don't need to remember to take anything with you.
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 8:21:40 AM
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Controlled breathing is different than deep breathing. It's information that I learned while in CA from my pdoc and my therapist. My therapist out here also has recommended controlled breathing but not deep breathing. I was going to look up something about it online, but I'm sinus headache right now which is making me tired and grumpy.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 1:33:16 PM
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Deep breathing is not recommended during a panic attack........ does something to oxygen levels which can make the attack worse.
I used the term "deep breathing" as a contrast to the rapid short sharp shallow breaths that typify hyperventilation. The type of "deep breathing" I meant was in through the nose, out through the mouth, in a regular pattern, using a paper bag, in order to regularise the breathing pattern, bring it back to normal. I can't see that keeping on panting/breathing fast, pumping oxygen into the system, increasing adrenalin, is going to assist someone having a panic attack. What is recommended over there then?
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Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church.
Have these people at this church ever let you down as far as mental illness/panic attacks are concerned?
Just curious - what did your handbag have in it that could have helped you?
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 2:13:39 PM
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Controlled breathing is different than deep breathing.
That depends on how deep you're talking about. Deep here is anything deeper than hysterical panting. Obviously breathing too deep isn't good, but anything a bit deeper than short sharp shallow breaths is, in my experience, ok and recommended by psychs here.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 7:09:43 PM
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Why 4.5 hours? Queue?
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 7:51:00 PM
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Ashamed of feeling like a side-show freak? Mental illness is still not widely accepted here. If you ever want to feel like an outcast, discuss mental health issues with Christians at church.
Have these people at this church ever let you down as far as mental illness/panic attacks are concerned?
Mental illness is not widely accepted among Christians in the US. It's not something that you become real willing to discuss with just anyone.
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Just curious - what did your handbag have in it that could have helped you?
*Gideons New Testament (not a huge issue since I had my Bible with me.)
*Hard candy.
*Paper clips.
*Small brown paper bag.
*Index cards with generalized prayer requests written down (pray for our troups, pray for POTUS..... along those lines.)
*Pen and small note pad.
*Paperclips.
*klono
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Controlled breathing is different than deep breathing.
That depends on how deep you're talking about. Deep here is anything deeper than hysterical panting. Obviously breathing too deep isn't good, but anything a bit deeper than short sharp shallow breaths is, in my experience, ok and recommended by psychs here.
I think we're talking about the same type of breathing then, which I do.
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Prayers up for everyone.
It took 4.5 hours, but I got my H1N1 vaccine today.
I'm glad you go the shot. I'm kind of glad that I can't get it because I wouldn't have the patience to wait 4.5 hours!
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/2/2009 8:13:07 PM
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Have these people at this church ever let you down as far as mental illness/panic attacks are concerned?
Mental illness is not widely accepted among Christians in the US. It's not something that you become real willing to discuss with just anyone.
You're under no obligation of course, Roberta, but do you realise that you didn't answer my question?
Also, I would like to question how reasonable, fair and accurate your assertion is that "mental illness is not widely accepted amongst Christians in the US". That's millions of Christians you're judging there, in umpteen denominations. I doubt very much that you've done any market research   and wonder if you are perhaps subconsciously making this blanket assumption in order to justify not even trying to share with anyone.
Besides, panic attacks are really not a big deal to many people. People have been known to have them because of vertigo, claustrophobia, agoraphobia, all kinds of reasons, and I think many people would be far more sympathetic about them than you give them credit for. I think it is well possible that because panic attacks are a big deal to you, and you're ashamed of them, you assume they are a big deal to other people. If you could find a way of learning to let go of the shame you feel over them, the hold that "what will people think" seems to have over you, they'd begin to lose their power over you. And that in itself could help them start to shrink down and wither.
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Just curious - what did your handbag have in it that could have helped you?
*Gideons New Testament (not a huge issue since I had my Bible with me.)
*Hard candy.
*Paper clips.
*Small brown paper bag.
*Index cards with generalized prayer requests written down (pray for our troups, pray for POTUS..... along those lines.)
*Pen and small note pad.
*Paperclips.
OK, thanks; so maybe next time, if you forget your purse, you could just nip home, get your purse and come back to church, since you live so relatively close by. Maybe even just the walk home and back would be enough to clear your head of the panic attack.
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 1:05:56 AM
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Have these people at this church ever let you down as far as mental illness/panic attacks are concerned?
Mental illness is not widely accepted among Christians in the US. It's not something that you become real willing to discuss with just anyone.
You're under no obligation of course, Roberta, but do you realise that you didn't answer my question?
No, I have not discussed my personal mental health issues with each and every Christian I've ever met. I've had enough of "give it to God" or "if you just had more faith" to last me for the rest of my life. Is that a satisfactory enough answer?
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Also, I would like to question how reasonable, fair and accurate your assertion is that "mental illness is not widely accepted amongst Christians in the US". That's millions of Christians you're judging there, in umpteen denominations. I doubt very much that you've done any market research and wonder if you are perhaps subconsciously making this blanket assumption in order to justify not even trying to share with anyone.
You're right, I have absolutely no idea. All I have to go on are my experiences.
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Besides, panic attacks are really not a big deal to many people. People have been known to have them because of vertigo, claustrophobia, agoraphobia, all kinds of reasons, and I think many people would be far more sympathetic about them than you give them credit for. I think it is well possible that because panic attacks are a big deal to you, and you're ashamed of them, you assume they are a big deal to other people. If you could find a way of learning to let go of the shame you feel over them, the hold that "what will people think" seems to have over you, they'd begin to lose their power over you. And that in itself could help them start to shrink down and wither.
You could make that statement about any mental illness mentioned here and I would bet that most of us have not been as open in real life as we have on the boards about our mental health issues. A lot of the reason why would boil down to what others will think of us.
You're right, panic attacks are no big deal to many people. Only cowards let sudden fears of imminent death bother them. On a positive note, at least I'm good at something.
I've sat here for the better part of 45 minutes trying to figure out how to word this post. Anything else I'd have to say would be dripping with sarcasm, anger and negativity. Therefore, I'm saying goodnight.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 8:25:38 AM
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No, I have not discussed my personal mental health issues with each and every Christian I've ever met. I've had enough of "give it to God" or "if you just had more faith" to last me for the rest of my life. Is that a satisfactory enough answer?
Roberta, I'm not sure why you're angry - all I asked was whether these people at this church had ever let you down regarding your mental health/panic attacks. You've still not answered, and that is fine, I am just surprised you got so riled just over a genuine enquiry as to how supportive or not your current church have been/are.
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You're right, I have absolutely no idea. All I have to go on are my experiences.
I am sorry you've had bad past experiences. However, that does not mean that every church, every Christian is going to be like that.
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A lot of the reason why would boil down to what others will think of us.
And you know as well as I do that that comes down to approval-seeking, people-pleasing, and it's a stronghold that needs to be broken in order for healing to take place. I know that can take time, as it's a complex thing, but it's definitely a goal that can be worked towards. I know, I've had to do it.
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You're right, panic attacks are no big deal to many people. Only cowards let sudden fears of imminent death bother them.
Again, I don't understand why you are reacting so harshly here. I know plenty of folk at church who would know what to do if someone was having a panic attack, and who wouldn't regard it as a big deal if someone had one.
I also don't know of anyone who has ever died of a panic attack - is it a potential reality? I remember I had a very strange reaction to a medication once and called the emergency line because I thought I was going to die, but the person talked me down, and I didn't.
When I said they weren't a big deal, I meant that most people I know who witness them regard them in a matter of fact way once they know what they are. And also, that panic attacks tend to be over relatively quickly. I am a carer for a guy with mental health issues and he sometimes phones me to "talk him down" if he is having one.
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I've sat here for the better part of 45 minutes trying to figure out how to word this post.
With respect, Roberta, next time you could try to choose not to take offence. Because taking offence IS a choice and I am honestly wondering why you chose to here. Logical analysis and rationalisation acan be important tools in resolving emotional issues and that's what I *often* bring to the table, both for myself and for other people. I am sorry you were upset, and hope you feel better soon.
Btw, I have not been offended by your reaction, nor upset by your being angry at what I wrote, and you don't need to apologise. But what I would like you to do is try to prayerfuly analyse your reaction, even possibly mention it to your therapist, because it seems to me that there is some other stuff going on here (has your therapist mentioned/explained "transference" and "projection" to you?)
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 10:25:40 AM
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I'm not mad at you per se, I'm just mad. Right now I'm having a hard time even finding a temporary escape from problems that I must face on a daily basis and I have to deal with them alone.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 12:01:23 PM
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No, I have not discussed my personal mental health issues with each and every Christian I've ever met. I've had enough of "give it to God" or "if you just had more faith" to last me for the rest of my life. Is that a satisfactory enough answer? I can understand your feelings Roberta, as I'm sure many of those who read and post in the forum can. However... mental health issues are NOT going to go away be not being talked about and the stereotypical image of them (that we must have more faith etc) isn't going to go away by not talking about them either. Challenging those views will. That does not mean that we must, at our most vulnerable, start to challenge what others think about mental health problems. I am not unique in my mental health problems. There is (God willing) going to come a time when I feel more able to challenge some of the responses that I have got regarding my mental health, instead of talk about them (at times) with friends. I do not believe for an instant now is the right time for you to be challenging what anyone else says but I'd also say that I don't believe that you should tar all future Christians you meet with the same brush.
If I tarred all Christians with the same brush, I'd have stopped having fellowship with any within the first 6 months of becoming a Christian.
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You're right, panic attacks are no big deal to many people. Only cowards let sudden fears of imminent death bother them. How dare you suggest that anyone who suffers from panic attacks are cowards. That is bang out of order and nowhere near what Manda is saying.
All sorts of people have or had panic attacks. Many learn to deal with them ~ just as you are. My panic attacks? Roberta, you were able to get out of church and walk home. I wouldn't have been able to leave the building. I'd need to sit with my back to a wall until I calmed down (as Manda suggested, probably the toilets) and every noise I heard would be a trigger to me. If I managed to calm down, it would be a while before I was able to get home (especially walking). Do no dare to suggest that I am a coward because I have panic attacks.
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I'm not mad at you per se, I'm just mad. Right now I'm having a hard time even finding a temporary escape from problems that I must face on a daily basis and I have to deal with them alone. Then Roberta, I'd urge you to maintain your medications as they are and stop cutting them out for a 'day or so' to see how you do. I know that you said that you didn't think it was affecting you, but it's not going to do you much good probably either.
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Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 12:11:50 PM
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You're right, panic attacks are no big deal to many people. Only cowards let sudden fears of imminent death bother them. How dare you suggest that anyone who suffers from panic attacks are cowards. That is bang out of order and nowhere near what Manda is saying.
Sorry, the whole of what I was saying wasn't clear there.
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You're right, panic attacks are no big deal to many people. Only cowards let sudden fears of imminent death bother them. On a positive note, at least I'm good at something.
The whole of what I was saying is that I am tired of hearing that pd is no big deal. If a person doesn't have pd, then I can see where it would be no big deal. To a person who does have pd, it can be a big deal. Sorry that I wasn't clear on that.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 12:30:38 PM
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Sorry, the whole of what I was saying wasn't clear there. I deliberately left the last sentence out of the quote as it didn't seem relevant to the rest of what you were saying.
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The whole of what I was saying is that I am tired of hearing that pd is no big deal. I've never actually heard anyone say this (and I've heard a lot of stuff said about mental health issues!).
I think it is not the panic issues themselves that are or aren't the 'big deal' it is the way we respond after having one. You have panic attacks but you still try and do things as normal (church etc). That's great. But afterwards, you often seem to beat yourself up about having had one. I suspect there are many people (whether they have or haven't experienced a panic attack firsthand) who would be concerned for you (or anyone) during the attack (because many people don't know what to do to help). That will make some overly cautious about how to treat you afterwards ~ and, as individuals, we need to confide in people what we need. I had a long talk with my psychologist about what helps me during a panic attack. I'd kind of figured it out beforehand, but talking it through with her has been incredibly helpful to me and I'm more able to talk to others about what helps me ~ during and after.
It makes it less of a 'big deal'.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 1:02:31 PM
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The whole of what I was saying is that I am tired of hearing that pd is no big deal. If a person doesn't have pd, then I can see where it would be no big deal. To a person who does have pd, it can be a big deal. Sorry that I wasn't clear on that.
You keep on going on about being ashamed of having panic attacks, and how you worry about what other people would think about you having panic attacks, and I posted that to many of these "other people" panic attacks aren't actually a big deal and that they'd be sympathetic.
At church we have a few women who have started having panic attacks purely due to the menopause, and people have been understanding and sympathetic and don't regard it as a big deal.
That's what I was saying.
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RE: Mental Health Encouragement - One Stop Thread - 11/3/2009 3:38:47 PM
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I've sat here for the better part of 45 minutes trying to figure out how to word this post. Anything else I'd have to say would be dripping with sarcasm, anger and negativity. Therefore, I'm saying goodnight. {{{{{{{{{{Roberta}}}}}}}}}}
Hugs to everyone else too. I'm doing well today. I'm sure that part of it is my new toy. I don't think I posted here last night that I got a new phone that is also an organizer, webbrowser, camera, voice recorder, etc. I've signed a three-year contract but my previous palmtops (which this is replacing) always lasted four years or more so I'm not worried. Just so long as I don't lose it or get it wet. That would not be good. But I haven't lost a palmtop yet either so I figure I've got a good track record. I sure lose a lot of other things though--my Norwegian wool sweater that cost more than my phone, a beaver hair neck warmer, Norwegian wool hat, alpaca wool scarf, innumerable pairs of gloves. Hmmmm. I'm noticing a pattern here. They're all cold-weather items. I'll bet it happens during the change in seasons when going out in the cold isn't cold enough that I realize I've left something behind. I have a full rest-of-the-day but I'm looking forward to each part. Aside from my new phone, I'm enjoying the balance ball I finally blew up yesterday. I'm using it for a chair. I'm starting off with and hour or two a day but it would be nice if I could increase that to being a lot longer. AND for the first time in weeks, I've managed to get two pounds below one certain bad "decade" on the weigh scale. I'm excited about that. Now I can aim for the next lower one--and be motivated to do what I need to do to do it. (That's a lot of "dos.")
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